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		<title>Comment on RootsCamp: few, but quality by freetrader</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/announcements/events/2006/203#comment-39</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The roots-camp idea needs to be expanded throughout the U.S., and then there needs to be some kind of coordination of all the local &quot;conferences&quot; into a national network of some form.

There are forms of this that already exist. But not enough. Every city or population center should have a schedule of such conferences being held in its immediate area.

Although the participation will always be a small minority of the population, it should somehow be made open to eveyrone, and publicized, so everyone knows they can attend and participate if and when they wish to do so.

One type of person who needs to attend is someone who listens to talk radio shows (or the mainline news) and gets mad at what they hear and wants to react to it but can't get past the call screener when they call the program (or gets cut off by the talk show host after having only 30 seconds to make their point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The roots-camp idea needs to be expanded throughout the U.S., and then there needs to be some kind of coordination of all the local &#8220;conferences&#8221; into a national network of some form.</p>
<p>There are forms of this that already exist. But not enough. Every city or population center should have a schedule of such conferences being held in its immediate area.</p>
<p>Although the participation will always be a small minority of the population, it should somehow be made open to eveyrone, and publicized, so everyone knows they can attend and participate if and when they wish to do so.</p>
<p>One type of person who needs to attend is someone who listens to talk radio shows (or the mainline news) and gets mad at what they hear and wants to react to it but can&#8217;t get past the call screener when they call the program (or gets cut off by the talk show host after having only 30 seconds to make their point).
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		<title>Comment on RootsCamp update I by kmakice</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/in-the-news/2006/126#comment-31</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As to history, try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openspace.dk/english.html&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/HistoryOfUnconfernceCamping&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for some history. The parentage of this particular idea is a political version of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_camp&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an open version&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foocamp&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a diverse tech talk&lt;/a&gt; sponsored by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_O%27Reilly&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim O'Reilly&lt;/a&gt; (he, of all the programming books with illustrated animals on the cover).

While there are countless incarnations of political &quot;open houses&quot; and &quot;town hall meetings&quot; and the like, what makes this different is the lack of a prescribed agenda or experts. This is, quite simply, a room and a format for creating small discussions and relating those experiences to a larger group. 

In my interpretation of RootsCamp &amp;#8212; which, I should point out, is not exactly the same as the people who started the site: to be a forum for progressives to reflect on the past election and strategize about grassroots campaigning &amp;#8212; I am looking for an all-inclusive, learners-as-experts-as-learners kind of atmosphere. I am talking to progressives, libertarians, republicans, democrats, senior citizen living communities, college organizations, etc., etc. I don't know what kind of turnout there will be, but I hope to put a lot of people of diverse backgrounds in the same room with the charge to explore and understand other perspectives and compare them to your own.

You are implying the very thing that I feel is problematic about American politics &amp;#8212; the need to arrive at consensus or convince others of a position. Those kinds of motivations, ideally, have no place in my concept of mutual politics, an idea I hope to discuss in this forum. The goal is &lt;em&gt;understanding&lt;/em&gt; not persuasion.

To qualify, you just have to show up. Nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to history, try <a href="http://www.openspace.dk/english.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/HistoryOfUnconfernceCamping" target="_new" rel="nofollow">here</a> for some history. The parentage of this particular idea is a political version of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_camp" target="_new" rel="nofollow">an open version</a> of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foocamp" target="_new" rel="nofollow">a diverse tech talk</a> sponsored by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_O%27Reilly" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Tim O&#8217;Reilly</a> (he, of all the programming books with illustrated animals on the cover).</p>
<p>While there are countless incarnations of political &#8220;open houses&#8221; and &#8220;town hall meetings&#8221; and the like, what makes this different is the lack of a prescribed agenda or experts. This is, quite simply, a room and a format for creating small discussions and relating those experiences to a larger group. </p>
<p>In my interpretation of RootsCamp &mdash; which, I should point out, is not exactly the same as the people who started the site: to be a forum for progressives to reflect on the past election and strategize about grassroots campaigning &mdash; I am looking for an all-inclusive, learners-as-experts-as-learners kind of atmosphere. I am talking to progressives, libertarians, republicans, democrats, senior citizen living communities, college organizations, etc., etc. I don&#8217;t know what kind of turnout there will be, but I hope to put a lot of people of diverse backgrounds in the same room with the charge to explore and understand other perspectives and compare them to your own.</p>
<p>You are implying the very thing that I feel is problematic about American politics &mdash; the need to arrive at consensus or convince others of a position. Those kinds of motivations, ideally, have no place in my concept of mutual politics, an idea I hope to discuss in this forum. The goal is <em>understanding</em> not persuasion.</p>
<p>To qualify, you just have to show up. Nothing more.
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		<title>Comment on RootsCamp update I by freetrader</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/in-the-news/2006/126#comment-30</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm trying to figure out the RootsCamp idea. 

It sounds good.

There have already been experiments of this sort for many years.

There was a movement several years ago called &quot;Planetary Initiative&quot; which held such meetings and tried to bring them all together to create a &quot;Platform&quot; statement.

To be effective and appealing to everyone, there has to be widespread inclusion of all such groups, whatever they may call themselves.

In other words, there may be such groups already taking place, but which call themselves something other than &quot;RootCamp&quot; or any other term.

The goal then is to somehow bring them all together into a common project. And this project must be designed to appeal to all of them.

What criteria would each group have to meet in order to &quot;qualify&quot; for inclusion as a RootCamp?

I like the word &quot;conference&quot;. But I'm not sure about the &quot;RootCamp&quot; term.

In order for the concept to succeed, there can be no authoritative leadership of the movement. It has to be spontaneous without appointed leaders.

Somehow decisions have to be made. Perhaps each &quot;conference&quot; could hold a vote on one matter or another, and the result would somehow be official, at least for that particular &quot;conference&quot;.

But then how would the whole network of conferences adopt any measure? Would it require unanimous agreement by all the conferences?

Could an earlier decision be revoked by a new conference that meets?

This idea needs to be developed further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to figure out the RootsCamp idea. </p>
<p>It sounds good.</p>
<p>There have already been experiments of this sort for many years.</p>
<p>There was a movement several years ago called &#8220;Planetary Initiative&#8221; which held such meetings and tried to bring them all together to create a &#8220;Platform&#8221; statement.</p>
<p>To be effective and appealing to everyone, there has to be widespread inclusion of all such groups, whatever they may call themselves.</p>
<p>In other words, there may be such groups already taking place, but which call themselves something other than &#8220;RootCamp&#8221; or any other term.</p>
<p>The goal then is to somehow bring them all together into a common project. And this project must be designed to appeal to all of them.</p>
<p>What criteria would each group have to meet in order to &#8220;qualify&#8221; for inclusion as a RootCamp?</p>
<p>I like the word &#8220;conference&#8221;. But I&#8217;m not sure about the &#8220;RootCamp&#8221; term.</p>
<p>In order for the concept to succeed, there can be no authoritative leadership of the movement. It has to be spontaneous without appointed leaders.</p>
<p>Somehow decisions have to be made. Perhaps each &#8220;conference&#8221; could hold a vote on one matter or another, and the result would somehow be official, at least for that particular &#8220;conference&#8221;.</p>
<p>But then how would the whole network of conferences adopt any measure? Would it require unanimous agreement by all the conferences?</p>
<p>Could an earlier decision be revoked by a new conference that meets?</p>
<p>This idea needs to be developed further.
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		<title>Comment on My contribution for this quarter by Commentary &#187; RootsCamp update I</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/in-the-news/2006/102#comment-29</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Since announcing my intention to start a local RootsCamp last month, I have been flooded with academic readings, assignments and other grad-school-related commitments (&amp;#8221;Ph.D.&amp;#8221; = &amp;#8220;Piled Higher and Deeper,&amp;#8221; after all). However, I have made an effort to get things going as best I can. This has materialized primarily in the form of Thought Exercises/Planning and in Internet-based contact. That approach has to change this week, though, as I feel strongly the need to get the sessions sited so I can concentrate on promotion and materials. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Since announcing my intention to start a local RootsCamp last month, I have been flooded with academic readings, assignments and other grad-school-related commitments (&#8221;Ph.D.&#8221; = &#8220;Piled Higher and Deeper,&#8221; after all). However, I have made an effort to get things going as best I can. This has materialized primarily in the form of Thought Exercises/Planning and in Internet-based contact. That approach has to change this week, though, as I feel strongly the need to get the sessions sited so I can concentrate on promotion and materials. [&#8230;]
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		<title>Comment on Maybe we should diversify the wiki by kmakice</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/platform-in-progress/meta/2006/66#comment-28</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well ... I created a &lt;a href=&quot;http://politic.wiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&amp;returntomypage=y&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new wiki space&lt;/a&gt; in Wiki.com anyway. On that page there are links to advantages and disadvantages.

I'd like to try working there for a while, for a couple reasons. Mainly, I like the idea of parallel communities. My &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wikisym.org/ws2006/proceedings/p105.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;research on PoliticWiki&lt;/a&gt; (PDF) pointed to the branding of the wiki with our logo as an obstacle to participation. I would rather get many people contributing there in as open and inclusive manner as possible, and then use our site to discuss our own contributions, decide on what we take out of that work, and worry about our organizational needs.

And, it is also a needed excuse to play with the controls of a new wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8230; I created a <a href="http://politic.wiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&#038;returntomypage=y" target="_new" rel="nofollow">new wiki space</a> in Wiki.com anyway. On that page there are links to advantages and disadvantages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to try working there for a while, for a couple reasons. Mainly, I like the idea of parallel communities. My <a href="http://www.wikisym.org/ws2006/proceedings/p105.pdf" rel="nofollow">research on PoliticWiki</a> (PDF) pointed to the branding of the wiki with our logo as an obstacle to participation. I would rather get many people contributing there in as open and inclusive manner as possible, and then use our site to discuss our own contributions, decide on what we take out of that work, and worry about our organizational needs.</p>
<p>And, it is also a needed excuse to play with the controls of a new wiki.
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		<title>Comment on Maybe we should diversify the wiki by Jeffrey Poehlmann</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/platform-in-progress/meta/2006/66#comment-25</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm of the belief that while we can learn from others and share ideas for the benefit of all, it is in the best interest of our particular mission to keep everything under one roof in terms of 3rd Party content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the belief that while we can learn from others and share ideas for the benefit of all, it is in the best interest of our particular mission to keep everything under one roof in terms of 3rd Party content.
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		<title>Comment on Awkward criticism by kmakice</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/in-the-news/international/2006/35#comment-24</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/in-the-news/international/2006/35#comment-24</guid>
					<description>BTW, in a week, I'm heading overseas for the first time on a plane and making the return trip five days later. I have some former student colleagues, recently graduated, heading to the UK as I type; another is in India, where threat levels are spiking for a holiday on Tuesday. All of this is very much on the surface for me these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, in a week, I&#8217;m heading overseas for the first time on a plane and making the return trip five days later. I have some former student colleagues, recently graduated, heading to the UK as I type; another is in India, where threat levels are spiking for a holiday on Tuesday. All of this is very much on the surface for me these days.
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		<title>Comment on Keeping my chin up by pchoate</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/platform-in-progress/meta/2006/23#comment-23</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/platform-in-progress/meta/2006/23#comment-23</guid>
					<description>I would just like to state my appreciation for the work you and Jeffrey have preformed over the years.  The reason I came here and why I will stay is because there is no other option for me to actually do something about our current political mess (I am speaking of a long-term solution).  Everyone has other commitments that overshadow this work.  Even in our other efforts, I hope we don't lose sight of the good we can accomplish.  I will be active in my local politics, but I want to do something, however small, to change the way our political system opperates.  There is something here.  It is not complete and it is not perfect.  But it will grow and can become a force for positive change.  Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to state my appreciation for the work you and Jeffrey have preformed over the years.  The reason I came here and why I will stay is because there is no other option for me to actually do something about our current political mess (I am speaking of a long-term solution).  Everyone has other commitments that overshadow this work.  Even in our other efforts, I hope we don&#8217;t lose sight of the good we can accomplish.  I will be active in my local politics, but I want to do something, however small, to change the way our political system opperates.  There is something here.  It is not complete and it is not perfect.  But it will grow and can become a force for positive change.  Thank you again.
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		<title>Comment on Freakonomics by David A Prinz</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/platform-in-progress/research/2006/22#comment-22</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>i loved freakonomics. the point of the book is simply that conventional wisdom isn't to be trusted, 

any conclusions reached by the authors are different from conventional wisdoms because these conclusions are all qualified, and any new data might change them. 

another example, referred to in the introduction of the book, is the whole conventional wisdom about how money influences politics. 

this is an example of another conventional wisdom, it sounds like it might be true. 

but consider this; does the candidate with the most money win because of the money, or did the wining candidate win, and raise the most money, because of their appeal in the first place?

their data says that money doesn't matter at all. that the winning candidate could cut his campaign spending in half and only loose about one percent of the vote. 

food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i loved freakonomics. the point of the book is simply that conventional wisdom isn&#8217;t to be trusted, </p>
<p>any conclusions reached by the authors are different from conventional wisdoms because these conclusions are all qualified, and any new data might change them. </p>
<p>another example, referred to in the introduction of the book, is the whole conventional wisdom about how money influences politics. </p>
<p>this is an example of another conventional wisdom, it sounds like it might be true. </p>
<p>but consider this; does the candidate with the most money win because of the money, or did the wining candidate win, and raise the most money, because of their appeal in the first place?</p>
<p>their data says that money doesn&#8217;t matter at all. that the winning candidate could cut his campaign spending in half and only loose about one percent of the vote. </p>
<p>food for thought.
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		<title>Comment on Community Chat by kmakice</title>
		<link>http://3rdparty.org/commentary/announcements/events/2006/21#comment-20</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>... Unfortunately, I may be a little late myself. My weekend travel took me largely offline for the past three days, and I'm in catch-up mode on a number of fronts. I will be around sometime after 11p, if not before. I'll use that time to work on site content, if nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Unfortunately, I may be a little late myself. My weekend travel took me largely offline for the past three days, and I&#8217;m in catch-up mode on a number of fronts. I will be around sometime after 11p, if not before. I&#8217;ll use that time to work on site content, if nothing else.
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